Ismay went on public record at the April 1912 United States Senate Hearings and also it was reported in the official public findings that the value of Titanic was "$7.5million" a figure independently verified by the New York Times and The Spectator ("$8 million") while insured at only "$5 million" (as reported at the Senate Inquiry, The New York Times and Lloyds itself). However, Updates? damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. Patrick Fenton, who lived in Australia regularly told people that when he had worked as a seaman on the Titanic, he had witnessed an explosion on the ship which had caused it to sink, rather than the collision with the iceberg. Some also claim that the reason some crew did not sign up was specifically because 'the only thing that could not be made to look new were the ship's boilers, having already been used for 12 months on Olympic before the switch' and noticing this on the Belfast to Southampton crossing they decided to 'get off' at Southampton. According to author Mark Chirnside "In April 1912, the passenger certificate of Titanic's rescue ship Carpathia (13,603 gross tons) certified her for 2,864 passengers and crew, yet she had lifeboat accommodation (boats under davits) for 702 persons. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one Compare the two videos below -one is the real footage of the Titanic name on the wreck, one is fake. The Olympic deck plans show a curved wheelhouse: 2. The fact that the Olympic went on to serve 24 years is simply because the damage was repaired. The fireplace filmed in 1995 and which partly was shown in the "Titanic" movie at the beginning were actually the fireplace of sitting room B 51 which was occupied by Mrs. Cardeza and her son. We need to know which accounts precisely are being referred to here. 2. Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? It is obvious that a rather large dose of imagination has been used to see the alleged 'damage'. Thomas Newman, Per l'obra Skyfall (2013) Steven Price, Per l'obra Gravity (2014) Alexandre Desplat, Per l'obra The Grand Budapest Hotel (2015) El BAFTA a la millor msica s un premi que atorga la BAFTA ( British Academy of Film and Television Arts) en una cerimnia anual, en reconeixement a la millor banda sonora . Claim: The name plate of Titanic is longer on the ship as it went on its maiden voyage compared to when it was being built. Courtesy Steve Hall. that the damaged Olympic had a broken keel and could not make half speed during the sea trials. Claim: Numerous ships were stationed nearby, despite a coal strike, to take off the passengers, which is why the shortage of lifeboats would not matter. Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. Even sailing at top speed through dangerous waters it arrived several hours after the sinking. Even if that simple fact is not enough, the other alleged details regarding the Californian are being misrepresented. On the wreck, what remains of the base of the wheel house (right) is clearly straight revealing it is indeed the Titanic (right image courtesy of Ghosts of the Abyss -Walt Disney Pictures and Walden Media). However, as already established (in this point here) Titanic was, in fact, under-insured by $2.5 million. - Yes. Although the ship had 14, then later 16, portholes on the port side, she had 15 on her starboard side, and this number remained consistent throughout. Claim: The Olympic was recorded as having a tonnage of around 45,000, while the Titanic weighed in [sic] at about 46,000. Of course there is no testimony from Ballard himself, or from any of the other expeditions who would clearly have also seen this. B-deck window spacing on the wreck Firstly, it must be considered that these images were first released in 2012 and have been examined in minute detail by hundreds if not thousands of researchers and historians since then, so why has it taken 7 years for this to have been spotted, if it is indeed unusual? It began in January of 1912 ', When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean. Titanic sailor's deathbed confession of 'switch' Secondly it was a "national coal strike" so the shortage of fuel would primarily only affect ships departing or visiting England. The Turkish bath spaces were different. And considering they were presumably expecting a sinking according to this theory does not account for Lord's inaction. Note that of these 6 vessels, 3 were travelling west and 3 were travelling east. Even if the insurance would not pay out the $750,000, IMM Lack of publicity for Titanic Titanic or Olympic: Which Ship Sank? 7:15 PM. in the Government. certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail overlook something as simple as the number of portholes on the outside of the ship? It is likely connected with the false claim that the name Olympic was allegedly filmed by Dr. Ballard during his 1986 dive to the wreck -proven to be false in point no.38 here. Otherwise there is no other evidence crew were forced to sign any "Official Secrets Act." Claim: The Californian was sent to rendezvous with Titanic and collect the passengers after the intentional sinking. 24. And the answer is the same. Discoloured plating on Titanic Claim: The surviving crew were detained overnight and forced to sign a pledge under the 'Official Secrets Act', promising to keep secret forever, the actual events of the night of 14th / 15th April, 1912. Since finishing touches were still being put to the ships accommodation, its hardly surprising that the public was not allowed onboard at Southampton. If a 'switch' was true, why would you need to create a 'meme' that is demonstrably false, by switching an 'actual' image of Titanic with the Olympic? So does the post-disaster image of Olympic show the "doubler" overlapping or not? Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the Olympic. sailed in a great hurry from Belfast and said that when they hit the iceberg it The lifeboat was wrecked in a collision with the Gosport Ferry at Portsmouth and taken by the Royal Navy to Haslar for demolition. The ship photographed departing Southampton has 16 bow portholes. If they were interchangeable why would there be a number on it? Get a Britannica Premium subscription and gain access to exclusive content. 2)J.P. Morgan had the power to influence governments, not least the British Government due to aid in the Crimean War. Author Steve Hall admits it could be the, 48. There are two key issues with this story. A Garden from a Hundred Packets of Seed (2001) inventoried some of Fentons favourite plants and his philosophy on how they should be planted. Also, as discussed in point number 16 above, there was less interest in Titanic's maiden voyage, as her older sister had proceeded her. The Hawke impacted the Olympic in the stern area. His quote that "the question remains openI do not have enough concrete information" is from a 2004 episode named "Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank?" This is his testimony: I understand it has been stated that the ship was going at full speed. After studying at the Chorister School in Durham, where he performed with the cathedrals renowned choir, he attended the Repton School and the British Institute of Florence. These include: Lookout Fredrick Fleet, Quartermaster George Rowe, Quartermaster Alfred Olliver, 1853). principal constituent of IMM and enjoyed continued prosperity, its profit full speed. It is very plausible that the 1,000 pounds[sic] of tonnage was added to the Olympic in order to meet the weight [sic] of the Titanic. Even if he did blatantly confuse the names of the ships, it would be clear evidence there was not a 'switch', as otherwise he would have been absolutely sure to get the correct name of the ship to ensure the fraud was watertight. (British Enquiry (Day 3) huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. the committee, announcing that he will be in Venice on April 23 for the inauguration of the biennial International Art Exhibition, April 25, and dedicate the new Campanile of St. As if somehow to counteract this fact, it has then been alleged that 'Titanic's insurance was increased by J. P. Morgan from $5 million to $12.5 million 5 days before her fateful journey'. Claim: Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller. In fact his comment was made at least 30 years after the disaster (he was 20 while aboard Titanic), so could well have been an exaggeration. There is no reason to doubt that passengers cancelled their voyage aboard Titanic. would have remained in surplus. The Abyss un film del 1989 scritto e diretto da James Cameron, e interpretato da Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio e Michael Biehn.. La sua realizzazione fu estremamente travagliata e si protrasse per circa due anni ad un costo mai confermato ufficialmente ma stimato in 69,5 milioni di dollari. Thirdly, in a picture of Olympic, taken during her 1912/13 refit following the Titanic disaster, this allegedly shows this vessel not to have the 'tell-tale plating' joint, which to 'switch' proponents proves 'conclusively' that the hull pictured is that of Titanic although the name Olympic is clearly visible on both sides of the bow. Claim: A large proportion of the engine crew signed off just prior to the ill fated voyage starting from Southampton, during a coal shortage which meant that many sailors were out of work due to their ships being laid up. Ship's Bell with no name on it (Click to enlarge). name on it. Incidentally, although called 'Old Reliable' her 24 years Steve Hall does not believe the 'switch' theory at all: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic." Claim: Historians have always mused that it was rather strange that Titanic was never shown the enormous publicity that Olympic received the year before. When or where did he ever say he discovered this? Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic previously published on the 'switch' theory -no doubt due to the release of the book "The Riddle of the Titanic" in 1996. An example of the many adverts that show the Olympic instead of Titanic - logical considering one was the older sister. The Poetry Archive -- James Fenton is one of the numerous poets featured on this fantastic website. THIS IS NOT A THEORY. It is not surprising that even Frank Finch doubted the third-hand story he relayed. 23. However, if the panelling had been from Olympic the number would have been 400 not 401." In 1910, IMMs net profit was a mighty $4,849,580, Titanic's split as portrayed in James Cameron's 1997 "Titanic" film. Further volumes of poetry included Out of Danger (1994), which won the Whitbread Book Award (now the Costa Book Award); Selected Poems (2006), a Penguin anthology of his work; and Yellow Tulips: Poems 19682011 (2012), an even broader survey containing previously uncollected verse. So there is nothing surprising with the fact that an iceberg caused enough damage to the starboard side (not bottom) of the hull so as to breach watertight compartments that eventually led to its sinking. No, and for one very simple reason: it is a faux marble fireplace. Once it was launched then it was 'fitted out' i.e. Without this, such an allegation can simply be filed under 'hearsay. Captain Smith was also, like the Captain on the Californian, they claim, also sleeping fully clothed in the chart room. There is not one occasion in which he There is of course some mystery over what really happened to Titanic's lifeboats after the disaster. 34. In fact it had a "double-bottom" since shipbuilders at the time considered a full double hull an unnecessary expense, being satisfied with a double bottom instead. James Fenton, in full James Martin Fenton, (born April 25, 1949, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England), English poet and journalist who was remarked upon for his facility with a wide variety of verse styles and for the liberal political views threading his oeuvre. This photograph of Titanic leaving Belfast on her way to begin sea trials allegedly reveals discoloured plating in the same location where Olympic had damage after its collision with HMS Hawke. If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational, 12. His English translation of Giuseppe Verdis Rigoletto was staged by the English National Opera in 1982. There were no plates or anything that could be swapped over- the name was literally engraved into the ship, then filled in with paint. The fields are mined and the moon is bright. So by April 1912 both ships had 16 portholes. (Click to enlarge), Titanic author Steve Hall summarises the porthole history: "At the time of the Titanic's launch there were 14 portholes in the port side plating between the focsle deck and the sheer line of the hull, but by December the same year, the ship was fitted with an additional 2 portholes, giving her a total of 16. He always maintained that the iceberg Firstly, how would White Star believe they could pull something like this off when no doubt hundreds of crew would see water pouring into the ship through the seacocks? Secondly, and rather importantly, the names were not engraved on the lifeboats. It is quite possible that those who "remember" Ballard giving a presentation in which he said he saw evidence it was the Olypmic are actually just remembering the documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" which contained fake imagery falsely purported to be evidence of a switch filmed by Ballard. 39. Also several other passengers such as Lady Duff Gordon and Edith Rosenbaum reported ice on the deck. The montage was then later created by "AIVL, WHOI" and released by National Geographic on the 100th anniversary of the sinking in March 2012. Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail But does this now mean we should treat with suspicion that there were "numerous" ships in the area when Titanic sank? Most died of exposure in the freezing water of the North Atlantic because there were not enough lifeboats. James J. Fenton, MD, is a pulmonologist at National Jewish Health. - Able Bodied Seaman Edward John Buley also reported a couple of tons of block ice (British Inquiry (Day 16). They were metal plates which were screwed on. The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . 11. 44. Also it must be noted that Titanic's dining room was Above: Olympic, taken during her 1912/13 refit following the Titanic disaster, allegedly shows the vessel without the tell-tale plating joint. Now, almost thirty years later, the director has one major regret regarding his depiction of a significant character in the movie. the shadows of the butt lap is still discernable." 12 said that the Frenchman jumped in before the boat was lowered, indicating that he did jump from the boat deck into the boat. 33. Hence post-Titanic-sinking images of Olympic also have this 16 porthole configuration. However, in December 1911, during Titanic's fit out, she had 2 added to light the crews galley and wash room which resulted in a total of 16 as seen in the maiden voyage photographs. The claim that he repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic seems to be without founding. Considering the discovery of Olympic's name on the lifeboat(s) allegedly occurred at least twice, on different continents, and no doubt seen by at least several people, why there are no written accounts, sketches or photographs of at the very least the boat, let alone the discovery, should ring alarm bells in the mind of any serious researcher. Claim: J. She had not all her boilers on, none of the single-ended If indeed Titanic had been insured at the last minute at "$12.5 million," as is alleged by conspiracy theorists, would this not have raised serious alarm bells in the minds of the insurers at the time, especially if it was part of the public record that the value was "$7.5million"? Captain Smith on Titanic Also, a coal bunker fire was indeed burning on Titanic, although it was put out before the collision and in any case as it is not explosive would not have caused the damage described (more information here). Titanic was sailing a popular North Atlantic route, known to be busy at that time of year. Difference in port side joint plating They were mostly Belfast men - i.e. and this slipped to $4,509,270 in 1911. It is clearly in a different area. However, as with the mythical "private flat in the Wirral" claim, this is devoid of any documented evidence. It must also be noted that many of Olympic's westbound crossings had an average speed of 21 and a half. It is true that Titanic's sea trials were half that of Olympic's. 19. Additionally, they were not "in the middle of a coal strike". had switched ships at layup and that an insurance scam was going on. Some drowned, some were probably killed below decks and there is speculation that an officer may have committed suicide. He always maintained that the iceberg alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a week and that the Captain and the company knew about it. In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. But also it must be noted that there were tours of Morgan and Ismay would have to be fortune tellers as well as fraudsters! 401: Titanic's propeller is on Olympic As will be discussed here, those that are not inaccurate, ill-researched, dubious or simply fabricated actually have very simple and logical explanations: 1. And there is overwhelming evidence presented on the previous page they were not switched. So if indeed it was part of some pre-arranged 'rescue' it completely failed in its purpose. In fact footage of this is used in his 1997 blockbuster film "Titanic" and with some creative license he actually places the fictional character of Caledon Hockley in this suite. For those who have read this website, they will realise that there is certainly no evidence of a 'switch', all the claims have been exposed to reveal nothing but misinformation or fiction and most importantly that there is conclusive evidence to prove that it is Titanic that sank. In regard to J.P. Morgan cancelling "at the last minute," research by Mark Baber and posted on Encyclopedia Titanica actually reveals it to be an urban myth. One must also suggest - if those behind the 'switch' were so clever so as to be able to switch absolutely everything aboard Olympic/Titanic as to include the numbers 400/401 etched onto the back of wooden panels in all the state rooms (refer to point here) then how is it they would - Yes. Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above, 31. The Olympic, like the Titanic, was fitted originally with the same 14-porthole arrangement on the port side of her focsle, but 2 additional portholes were later fitted; they were there in March 1912. White paint on the wreck THIS IS PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. and loss account had risen from $48,585 in 1910 to $821,062 in the year ending The source of this erroneous claim is here. Hence it is Olympic, not Titanic. Hall and Beveridge note in regard to this photograph that although "the overlapped doubler is hidden behind the stowed anchor, During this process workers allegedly discovered the name Olympic 'carved into the gunwhales,' as 'the old name had been filled with putty and painted over.' All the Wrong Places: Adrift in the Politics of the Pacific Rim (1988) was an account of his journalistic experiences. In July 2013 he wrote to Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgeTV (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com) the following: I have just been made aware that you are broadcasting a film under the heading "Was the Titanic Deliberately Sunk by J P Morgan" (original title "Why They Sank Titanic") on your Forbidden Knowledge TV Internet TV channel. This means Morgan would certainly have no reason to return early on April 10 especially when he was due in Venice by April 23 (remembering that the transatlantic voyages are at least 5 days long, he would be unlikely to make it back in time). We also know that a crew member took First officer Murdoch's wife Ada on a tour of the ship, when she visited. Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit. of the surviving crew. 35. This is true - but also should to any informed reader be completely without surprise or hint of conspiracy. Secondly, there was a rush to get the ship to Southampton to begin provisioning for the maiden voyage. Titanic's speed was investigated by Mark Chirnside and Samuel Halpern in their article entitled "Speed and More Speed" from which the following information is taken. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position The branches creak and the shadows leap. "It was a somewhat quiet affair.". 4. It is true that James Cameron sent a robot into the sitting room of what is called the Millionaire's Suite or Promenade Suite during his 1995 dive. Above right: Titanic , while still on the stocks and while fitting out in 1911, allegedly shows that there was no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. Olympic was damaged badly enough to force the voyage to be cancelled. Early on, she was broadly running level with Olympics There are other photographs of Titanic with similar liberties such as the shot of her in Cherbourg at night which has been heavily doctored to look as if it was taken at night with her lights blazing. a lifeboat, keeping older hands on deck for lowering boats. 3. This was standard White Star Line practice. Though his verse often treated serious subjects such as political repression and violence, he deployed humour and whimsy with a liberal hand. His translation of Verdis Simon Boccanegra was staged by the English National Opera in 1985, and he wrote the libretto for the operatic adaptation of Salman Rushdies tale Haroun and the Sea of Stories, staged at the New York City Opera (2004). In this close up of the post-disaster image of Olympic, 45,324. Photographs taken of Titanic leaving Southampton also reveal a slight port list. However Southampton, (which had replaced Liverpool as a major international hub) was where transatlantic liners such as what White Star and Cunard operated were based, and hence the crew based in Southampton were experienced, international crew. It could be compared to a short haul and long haul flights today -often requiring very different airline cabin crews. Secondly, there are many eyewitness accounts and descriptions of an iceberg. It is, however, agreed that crew returning to England were under instructions to give evidence at the Board of Trade Inquiry and not to talk to the media beforehand. 32. "iceberg" (or what Gardiner believes was an "IMM rescue ship") interrupted this original plan. Also a sealed design would have restricted access to certain parts of the ship Olympic officers on the bridge There are a couple of important points to first realise. First and foremost there is no documented evidence to verify it. Titanic being towed out to her sea trials. 14. Harold Sanderson repeatedly referred to, 44. Due to the lack of media coverage Mark Chirnside writes regarding the bell in his dissertation: "The absence of a name on this bell does not prove that the ship was Refer to this previous point here for more information on the name Titanic on the wreck. So in fact rather than proving a 'switch,' exploration of this suite only confirms that it is indeed Titanic that sank. Linoleum flooring covered with carpets and to be able to compare our video with a period photograph of the time and look at the veining in the marble and realise it is the same thing, it was like a fingerprint. Surviving crew signed the Official Secrets Act, 35. the Hawke collision that would supposedly justify a 'switch' scenario. Damage from Olympic's collision with Hawke was more significant The reality is that Olympic's yard number 400 is all over the scrapped items - and this is documented: (see more information on this here). 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